Who The Fuck Is Elizabeth Egan Everett?

 

 

Dear Fraudhaters,

There’s a new “douchette” spiritual healer/seductress on the speaker/summit circuit, Ms. Elizabeth Egan Everett.  She’s being touted as amazing teacher/healer etc.

So I have to ask, as you probably do, “Who the fuck is Elizabeth Egan Everett?”.

I Googled her and the answer came back, “Who the fuck is Elizabeth Egan Everett?”

But seriously, Liz’s claim to fame is that she is “Mystery’s ex-girlfriend”.

Jeez. That’s like bragging about licking public toilet seats.

Very cruel riddle: why shouldn’t you go driving with Elizabeth Egan Everett?

Answer: because anyone who would voluntarily put Mystery’s cock in their mouth has got a serious death wish.

But seriously: I happen to know Elizabeth. I met her back @2005 at some PUA event; I don’t really remember which one it was.

And she even came as a guest to one of my seminars sometime in 2010.

I can tell you this: this girl, at least as recently as 2010, has a serious “mad-on” with men. I’m talking alot of mistrust, suspicion, and even hate.

(I can’t say I blame her; from what she told me, she was on the receiving end of an incredible amount of narcissistic abuse from Mystery. And maybe she’s all healed up since then. But the burden of proof is on her to show it.)

Unfortunately, all that notwithstanding,  in my opinion she has absolutely no skill and therefore absolutely no business teaching, coaching or “healing” men.

I never thought I’d say this about anyone, but I’d much prefer Erika Awackowitch over “Triple E”.

My further evalutaion is that EEE has some serious issues dealing with consensus reality due to the massive amount of hallucinogens she’s done, especially Ayahuasca.

Look: this really isn’t about being mean. I get I’m being savage here, even betraying some confidences that she shared with me when were on speaking terms.

But this person is NOT qualified to be teaching or helping men.   She has no business doing it. People will get harmed at worst or have their time, money and attention seriously wasted at best.  She does not belong on any legit speaking/teaching agenda for men. END OF STORY.  Allowing her to be there is a seriously irresponsible and dumb action.

Liz: go home. Do something useful. Focus on your singing; you’re pretty damn good at that.

But lay off the “vine juice”.  And don’t bring your confusion, resentment and distrust of men into this field. Because someone is going to get hurt.

Peace, piece and “HO HO HO”

RJ

PS True story. Liz once told me she saw Bigfoot, not more than 10 feet from her. She said he knelt down, looked right at her and growled.   She said she could smell the creature.

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111 Responses to Who The Fuck Is Elizabeth Egan Everett?

  1. Jerry says:

    Oh,you gonna meet this person end of the year again.For me,pick up,dating coach scene is like watching WWF.

    So many dramas are going on.Do you have to meet some guys whom you mentioned on this forum???Watch out your back ; ).Oh,are event organizer protect you?Or all things are just like a WWF?

    I would like to know who do you think coaches who have legit and can teach other than you.I know,endorsement does not last forever,those guys change but at this point.

  2. HappyLittleBoy says:

    If she had a thing with Mystery going wouldn’t that further solidify the fact that Mystery can’t get quality women?

  3. Steve says:

    She looks like Mystery’s female clone. Someone must’ve broken into Ross’s lab and done some weird shit.

  4. Ross Jeffries says:

    Knock knock.

    Who’s there?

    Elizabeth Egan Everett.

    Elizabeth Egan Everett WHO?

    Exactly!

  5. Benj says:

    I don’t know much about Ms. Everett’s course of study, but I do know that your shit-slinging character assassination has illustrated beyond any reasonable doubt the kind of small-minded creature you must be to compose such vitriol and attach your name to it. You are a hateful being and as such, have destroyed any credibility I might previously have been able to afford you.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Benj So you believe and assert that she IS qualified and experienced as a teacher to men? Based on….what?

      • Max says:

        Triple-E is far more enlightened than your pea brain can fathom. She brings a fresh, woman’s perspective to the field, that a bunch of loser PUA wanna be’s can’t. And as for you, with this rampant attack on all these PUA’s, who are just marketing products like everyone else is (so are you), shows me that you are a cry baby when it comes to losing. Man without balls. Over the hill. Soda can make you fat. But does Pepsi attack Coke? No. They make the same soda just slightly different and compete in the market for market share. That’s called competition with balls. And you’re losing on that end, so you decide the fair way to compete is attacks. A coward not a leader. If i were to bring a group of 10 women to evaluate your behavior, they would be disgusted… move on people, there is nothing here to learn.

        • Ross Jeffries says:

          @Max

          No, Max. I do not do:

          Hidden continuity
          Forced continuity
          Deceptive billing
          Bait and switch
          Fake testimonials
          Undisclosed affiliate marketing

          I will not endorse any product or program I don’t believe in. I’ve left at least $1,000,000 in affiliate commissions on the table over the years by refusing to promote the seminars, programs and products of others even though I’ve been offered 50% commission at times, and some times higher than that.

          You aren’t looking with detail. Look closer.

          RJ

        • Antonio says:

          Of course if YOU brought 10 women, to meet Ross they would be nasty and say nasty things and generally feel nasty the whole time. That is just because the quality of women you associate with are probably all people without any success in their lives.

          Open your eyes, Ross gets some hot, georgeous beautiful women! I have personally spoken to Ross’s girlfriend on the phone when I was in his coachin program, and she was hot, and smart, and really helpful with my situation, Ross can obviously get 10′s inside and out.

        • Hegel88 says:

          fool, mr.Jeffries was the one who GAVE BIRTH to the whole PUA ‘industry’. He is not pepsi or coca-cola, he is H2O, look up on google what that formula means. he dont have balls? it does take some balls to go against all of these scumbags and risk gettin sued. and why dont you get those 10 women and get them to evaluate mr.jeffries, i think at the very least they’d say he is funny as fuck

  6. Bruce Dirmeyer says:

    Wow- you guys are negative, hateful and crass. Elizabeth is a cool gal, and probably a lot hotter than the women y’all date!

  7. ashley says:

    you’ve probably been doing this for a long time, have probably had people complain to you and about you quite a bit, and you might not care to vibe with what i’m about to say. that’s cool. but i’m not about to let this poison go unchecked. elizabeth is a friend of mine and i have sat with her in ceremony many times. she works in places that very few are willing and courageous enough to traverse and she is allowed to share her teachings. i have definitely benefited from having her as a friend and guide. apparently you had a bad experience the one time you met her, you heard some gossip about her and therefore looked at her with contempt. maybe you’re from another planet, but on this one no teachers are perfect. we all have our strengths/weaknesses/trials/triumphs. also, ayahuasca is not a hallucinogen, it’s an entheogen. i highly recommend it as a way to truly ground in reality, but keep following your path in whatever way you feel called.

    i don’t know what personal experiences you had with fraudulence in the healing circuit but i know it abounds, as it does everywhere. once again: PLANET EARTH IN 3D (for now). if you want to protect people from healers that will do more damage than good, just keep working on your own approach as a healer. we can all get pissed and form agendas and EVEN pretend we have the right to judge, or justify it with our good intentions i.e. i just have this website cause i’m looking out for people…but there are more constructive ways to deal with what you perceive to be an illness in someone else i.e. speck of dust in their eye. not to mention that you’re giving a lot of power to the people you say you want to undermine (@ Oberon, free advertising). you’re doing deep work and i appreciate your thoroughness and determination and sense of humor, but please, please remember that love is supreme. it’s never too late to change your mind…we all make shitty mistakes and sometimes we publish them :)…blessings…

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Ashley,

      I’ve met Liz on more than one occasion. And it’s interesting that you reveal that you’ve “sat in ceremony” with her many times; I’ll take that as meaning using ayahuasca. Dangerous stuff. Do we really want to entrust guys to a woman who has juiced her brain on this over and over and over again.

      It’s good and noble that you defend your friend. That’s what friends ought to do. But it doesn’t make what she is doing skillful or right. Does it?

      Stopping harm IS constructive. And I intend to keep on “constructing”.

      RJ

  8. Oh Ross.
    Really?

    (I invite you to actually post this comment un-edited unlike those who have already said so much that got a little too “Right at the root” for you.)

    Yes yes, Uncle Ross must save us all from the evil and manipulating lying world of pick up, Ok OK, we SO get your belief system on that one and yes, there is much within the tricky world of PUA that has to be navigated carefully. What baddies we are, eh? Oh except for you right? Right?
    [Crickets]
    ;)

    I have no war with you Ross. We were friends remember? (and you may have conveniently forgotten what conference we met at but I have not – It was for Venusian Arts, you know that company you have since been so brutal about? Fascinating your ethics Paul) – I never held a grudge as to why that ended but years later you still seem hurt by it. I’m sorry.
    How could I NOT have defriended you from FB? I gave you many and clear warnings but over time when it became clear that things were not going as you wished, you got creepy, you got sexually overt and started talking about subjects that you knew (and still know) NOTHING about. Things that actually matter out there in the real world. One who has true Gnosis would not speak or act as you have been.
    Your words / actions tell us so much and not what you would wish.

    “You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles?”

    You may see see thru the glass darkly Love, but I see you clearly.
    No war Ross. There is no enemy.

    You can call me as loopy as you like (but it’s kind of like calling me obese or any other some such fascinations you may throw, it holds no weight with me), please know this: There are sentient ones out here reading this bit of fluff and see it for EXACTLY what it is. If you can not get the positive attention, you go for negative. I get it. We get it. I have amazing clients and the more thoughtful the better (to see you with my dear, lol) – They are specialized men and women who are ready for the real inner games that I have 20+ years of experience that is uniquely mine to teach. This is where the juicy stuff REALLY is. You are fighting with your own ghosts / illusory demons Love, and perhaps one day you will ready for some higher games and you will step past such school yard antics and find a truly magickal profound astonishing world waiting for you on the other side.

    You are hurting a lot of good people Ross but in the end you are only really hurting yourself.
    Here is my sadness for you:
    You have your own wisdom to teach, and I honor you for this, but your attacks now against so many others are now all over the internet and THIS is what you are becoming known for thus wiping out any good you may have done. Do you really want to be known for insulting people / and your competition rather than just for teaching your particular angle of PUA? True Alphas are not effected by other Alphas male or female. From now on, any woman of true value will see your vitriol and they. will. run. If you act as an Incubus, you will bring upon yourself a succubus.
    You have brought this upon yourself.

    Get clean Ross. Go to the jungle.

    “If you bring forth that which is in you, that which is in you will save you. If you do not bring forth that which is within you, that which is in you will destroy you.” – Gospel of Thomas

    I leave you with this important gift and message to ponder and it came specifically to me for you when I was in ceremony:
    For about a year, I would wake to find that the right sided passenger mirror of my car would be covered in excrement. For a while I was bemused not sure what was going on! Funnily enough eventually I caught the perpetrator in the act, and was able to understand what was happening. It was a bird who would sit FOR HOURS sitting at the mirror flinging it’s own poo at it’s mirror reflection thinking it was another bird, or a seeming threat to it’s territory. Goodness gracious! So funny when I understood and what a massive teaching – and for that little stupid bird who didn’t know any better, WHAT A WASTE OF TIME (when he could have been up to so much else out there, oh you know, like hanging out with all those sexy birdettes?)
    ;)
    Peace Paul, PEACE. Be well – I mean that. Come on, you ARE better than this!
    Smell a rose or two, eh? It really IS delicious out here.

    P.S. I have NEVER used Mystery for marketing. I don’t believe in that. I have more honor in that time than you could ever understand.
    Please.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      You can call me as loopy as you like (but it’s kind of like calling me obese or any other some such fascinations you may throw, it holds no weight with me), please know this: There are sentient ones out here reading this bit of fluff and see it for EXACTLY what it is. If you can not get the positive attention, you go for negative. I get it. We get it. I have amazing clients and the more thoughtful the better (to see you with my dear, lol) – They are specialized men and women who are ready for the real inner games that I have 20+ years of experience that is uniquely mine to teach. This is where the juicy stuff REALLY is. You are fighting with your own ghosts / illusory demons Love, and perhaps one day you will ready for some higher games and you will step past such school yard antics and find a truly magickal profound astonishing world waiting for you on the other side.

      I’ve done more than call you “loopy”. I’ve said that your extensive use of Ayahuasca, a very powerful hallucinogenic substance, has altered your mind and made your ability to deal with consensus reality very compromised. The way you write here I think is indicative of that. And people who are paying to hear you speak ought to be informed of who they are dealing with. They have a right to know where your “wisdom” is coming from and who they are dealing with. Or do you deny it? Or wish to conceal it?

      Your “higher” games involve just that; getting high. And with a very powerful and potentially dangerous agent.

      One of the major differences between us is I don’t rely on a hallucinogenic to tell me what is real and to inform my intuition.

      And I would never, EVER, have a client take something like this as part of a healing or therapy session. So let’s ask right now, Liz:

      Do you encourage or suggest or ask your clients to take ayahuasca as part of the “healing” process you do with them?

      ( ) Yes

      ( ) No

      ( ) Sometimes

      Setting aside the legalities(I’m a libertarian and believe all drugs should be legalized) how about the dangers? There are medical studies going on where patients take various substances while be closely watched by trained medical and psychiatric staff. What is your medical/psychiatric training?

      Do you really think it’s just a nasty, personal vendetta to raise these questions? Or is it something that a responsible person who knows about it and who has a voice in the community is required to raise?

      C’mon, Liz. You believe in “truth”. So tell the truth about what you are doing. Here’s your chance.

      You are hurting a lot of good people Ross but in the end you are only really hurting yourself.
      Here is my sadness for you:
      You have your own wisdom to teach, and I honor you for this, but your attacks now against so many others are now all over the internet and THIS is what you are becoming known for thus wiping out any good you may have done. Do you really want to be known for insulting people / and your competition rather than just for teaching your particular angle of PUA? True Alphas are not effected by other Alphas male or female. From now on, any woman of true value will see your vitriol and they. will. run. If you act as an Incubus, you will bring upon yourself a succubus.
      You have brought this upon yourself.

      Get clean Ross. Go to the jungle.

      I think the good I AM doing, as well as the good I have done, INCLUDES protecting people from fraud, harm and wrongful action.

      You really don’t get it, do you?

      STOPPING people who are doing harm IS “Good”. Sorry, but just because the felt sense in the body isn’t what you call “love” doesn’t mean it isn’t the right thing.

      “lo ta’amod al dam re’acha, ani adonai”

      And wow: look at you laying down the curse. So you have omniscient vision and can tell what my future with all women of “value” is going to be?

      Not only is this irrelevant, but it is an example of the kind of grandiose and distorted perception that i am warning people about.

      Guys who think Liz might make a good choice as a “healer”; look at the level of “knowledge” and future-sight she claims to have.

      Liz, I’m not the one doing the psychedelics. I’m not the one who has to “get clean”.

      If you bring forth that which is in you, that which is in you will save you. If you do not bring forth that which is within you, that which is in you will destroy you.” – Gospel of Thomas

      Ooh, goody! Let’s trade quotes. Suck down this one:

      “Judges and officers shall you appoint in all your gates, which the Lord your God gives you, throughout your tribes; and they shall judge the people with just judgment. You shall not pervert judgment; you shall not respect persons, nor take a bribe; for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise, and perverts the words of the righteous. Justice, justice shall you pursue, that you may live, and inherit the land which the Lord your God gives you. (Deut. 16:18-20)”

      I leave you with this important gift and message to ponder and it came specifically to me for you when I was in ceremony:

      Translation: your brain was frying on Ayahuasca. You rely on this vine to provide your “insights”. You are proving my point for me without knowing it.

      Peace Paul, PEACE. Be well – I mean that. Come on, you ARE better than this!
      Smell a rose or two, eh? It really IS delicious out here.

      P.S. I have NEVER used Mystery for marketing. I don’t believe in that. I have more honor in that time than you could ever understand.
      Please.

      Better than what? Protecting people? Pointing out dangers?

      It’s only in your solipsistic reality that these are not “good” things. In grown-up world, we have responsibilities to speak truth and to protect those who don’t yet know what is going on. I know-maybe you don’t believe in that kind of duty as duty isn’t part of your world. I’m truly sorry for you for that.

      And….your name IS being linked to Mystery’s in the promotion for the upcoming event. Perhaps a call to the organizers might be in order to change how you are being presented?

      RJ

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles?”

      You may see see thru the glass darkly Love, but I see you clearly.
      No war Ross. There is no enemy.

      Ooh, I love playing dueling quotes. Here’s one for ya:

      “I came into this world to give sight to those who cannot see. And to take away sight from those who can”.

    • Antonio says:

      Ross is doing a good job protection people from liars.

      I first heard about pick up artistry and all i knew about was the mystery method, so i tried studying it, joined their forums, and what results did i get, total sucking of enjoyment from anything. The end result would be sex with somebody I barely know because the patterns worked, that\’s in my opinion equal to paying a girl for sex.

      The day I decided omg this is crap, I dont enjoy using the mystery method, and that same day, I had a girl come up to me in a club, and talk to me, and I kissed her and she became my girlfriend, and that was right after the decision to throw the mystery method in the trash.

      I wish Ross was there to warn me before I ever started to learn that junk which some of it is still in my head. I wish Ross had warned me so I could have been more objectionable which I now have learned to be with almost everything new.

      Through Ross on the other hand, I got the confidence to go up to women anywhere anytime, and talk to them, and be happy the whole time regardless of the outcome, it makes me feel great whenever I think about it.

      Thanks to Ross, and im not even sure how really, I have been able to confidently go up to women, in the street, in retail places, in clubs. Its amazing, I can\’t wait for the day I get to attend a live seminar with Ross, he is truly the king of teaching people to improve their choice with women.

      Yes and even though im not exactly sure how Ross got me that confident, it is just from all the idea\’s he posed that got me thinking. The confidence is there now though, and it\’s without the false 3 second rule of mystery method! I have spent hours in a club and then began to sarge after I\’d been dancing by myself for over an hour or two.

      Once my friend was like why don\’t you go talk to some girls I know you can, and I was like go ahead and choose any girl and I\’ll go right up to her, which doesn\’t seem alike a big deal but previously i\’d be so scared to do that it didnt ever get done.

      I have been in Atlantic City, saw a group of 15 women in front of me, and ran up to them and talked to all 15 and had them laughing, until I decided to tell them bye. That for me is so amazing, and it was my birthday! Before I would be scared to go up to a group of 3 women, and always on the look out for women by themselves, so i could hope to talk to them, and wouldnt have the courage to do it anyways, now I can go up and talk to any girl I want :D

    • Hegel88 says:

      looks like no one has been attending your seminars after mr.jeffries and you became defriended on FB.

      ..and none of those 50K subscribers wanted to buy your DVD program. life is a bitch, you pua asshole!

  9. Anon says:

    You ran your best game on her, did you Master PUA?
    How’d that work out for you?

    I’m guessing you invited her to your conference because you thought she would fall at your feet, the original gangster PUA that you are.

    Ooops.
    I think not.

    So now we can say this of Ross Jeffries: He has a web site that he uses to ‘punish’ his unrealized conquests.

    Wow.

    good luck with your life……
    Lemmie know how that’s working out for you.

    PS
    The biggest mistake you’ll ever make is fucking with someone you don’t know.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Anon I was never attracted to Liz and I never “ran” anything on her. In fact, during the time I knew here, I was quite in love with Pernilla, my lovely Swedish girlfriend at the time.

      You really don’t get it, do you?

      Have you ever in your life done something because it was the right thing to do? Not because you wanted to do harm to anyone or get someone to like you, but because principle demanded it.

      I think you truly are incapable of understanding this kind of motivation. And it’s more and more common these days as people act only on their own selfish motives, be it to curry favor or to harm.

      Amazing. Sad. I pity you.

      RJ

      • Max says:

        A man of “principle” who wants to give other people sight and take away sight from those who can’t see…to punish people, to call them fraud, to abuse and slander them in public…wake up Ross…or as you always say “you don’t get it do you?” – like you are some master who gets it… you have no principles. You lost any principles you did have or were known for. It is only the lack of principles that makes one slander others. Only principle you have is hypocrisy. Like a slithering snake, biting when others aren’t looking. Born to Satan? If you want to help and protect people, spread love and wisdom, not hatred. You really don’t get it. God will judge you.

        • Ross Jeffries says:

          @Max

          It’s a metaphor. Look deeper.

          It isn’t slander to speak the truth about wrongdoing. It’s a moral duty.

          Here’s a challenge for you:

          Go back and look at the posts I made about Vin Dicarlo and his blatantly dishonest and deceptive billing.

          It’s easy to find.

          Just type in “Vin Dicarlo” in the search box.

          I lay out the facts from the screencapture video from his own webpages.

          Now, if I know this kind of scam is going on, by what principle should I just shut up, nod and wink at it, and let it go?

          I think you need to get this: protecting others from harm IS “loving”. It may not be sweet or nice, but it’s a moral duty and it does serve the innocent and the uninformed.

          RJ

          PS Which “God”? Thor? Odin?

        • Ross Jeffries says:

          @Max

          Here you go:

          http://www.puafraud.com/vin-dicarlo-puas-deceptive-and-misleading-marketing-exposed/

          Have a look. Then answer me:

          1. Why should Vin be allowed to get away with doing this?

          2. Do you see ANY evidence that I do these same practices?

          3. What is wrong with exposing him for doing this kind of thing?

          You’ve name called me and attacked and I’ve responded by asking focused, specific, unemotiional questions.

          So……what is your response?

          RJ
          RJ

          • Max says:

            RJ… a reviewer who claims to objectively review other sellers, and then sells the same types of products, cannot objectively be a reviewer. If you wanted to do justice and bring TRUTH to the PUA field, then you should have created an objective review/rating site for people to rate the products and services of others…similar to YELP. You can sell your own products, but its the people who rate/review all products not you. If people experienced deceptive billing, or wrongful teachings, they should review on this site. No different than sites that rate doctors, lawyers, televisions and your local barber.

            The problem here is: slander by one seller against other sellers. That is not objective review/ratings. That’s one man losing it online and taking out frustrations or whatever ‘moral’ obligation he feels to inform others. For example, EEE’s program is a much more spiritually oriented. Maybe you don’t consider it hardcore PUA…but it had its own audience that it helped. If you provided a rating/review site, maybe 50% of people said she wasn’t a good PUA teacher, and other 50% said, she was a great spiritual teacher…but all the information helps people make up their mind, as to the teaching they wish to have and from whom, without being clouded from YOUR judgments.

            And as for an answer on GOD: THE GOOD ONE.

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Max

            No, Max. It isn’t about the same kind of products. It’s about the business practices. I do not engage in the business practices I criticize.

            I do not:

            1. Use fake testimonials

            2. Disguise the cost of my programs

            3. Do unauthorized billing of credit cards

            4. Refuse refunds

            5. Do forced continuity

            6. Do hidden continuity

            7. Lie about any proof or make up science studies

            8. Run a SAMP(Seller Assisted Marketing Program)

            9. Do bait and switch continuity

            10. Endorse products, services, seminars for other people, that I do not believe in.

            11. Hide affiliate relationships; in fact, since I don’t sell anything on an affiliate basis, it doesn’t even apply to me.

            It’s not slander to tell the truth and I’ve told the truth about the practices I’ve seen and that I’ve outlined above. I do NOT do these things so I do have a right to bring them up.

            Please show me ANY intelligent evidence that I am not speaking honestly and accurately here.

            In EEE’s case I have enough personal knowledge to honestly state I believe her to be a danger to those she proclaims to help.

            Thanks…

            RJ

    • Antonio says:

      LOL some of the biggest mistakes people make, include listening to the wrong people.

      So Ross is helping people avoid that mistake.

      Second mistake most people make is not being teachable, they just simply refuse to give up things to learn and refuse to change to adopt the new things you learn, if you learn the best information ever and won’t change anything you do, then you get nothing.

      Third mistake people make is being too focused on the how, and not focused enough on the why, yes the why, the dream, the thought is waaay more important than the how, the actually doing, the action steps.

      The fourth mistake most people make is they know how to do something, but they haven’t done it over and over again until it becomes automatic.

      So yes those are the worst mistakes people make, messing with somebody you dont know mmm that just isn’t in the top bracket of mistakes, so where you get its the worst mistake ever is beyond me, you probably listend to the wrong people, mistake numbro uno.

    • Hegel88 says:

      yeah and you have fun pickin up the HB10s
      with your local pua layer wings at the local lounge tonight

  10. YoungPUA says:

    Mystery wrote a book about his exploits in 2010. If this was his girlfriend, is there any reference to her in the book?

    • “Please show me ANY intelligent evidence that I am not speaking honestly and accurately here.

      In EEE’s case I have enough personal knowledge to honestly state I believe her to be a danger to those she proclaims to help.”

      Golly, didn’t realize that a couple luncheons and a handful of backings and forthings on FB equates to even a modicum of beginning to have the slightest sliver of a concept of knowing who a being actually is. Your missteps throughout this whole thread shows this clearly, (some moments really obvious and others a little more subtle in their manipulations – Like you closing that particular thread above so others with different opinions can’t continue pointing out your hypocrisies and deleting so many comments at your slightest whimsy.)
      Sorry, my bad. I like to actually take my time before I throw such eviscerating judgements about.
      And most importantly –
      Of ALL People Paul, after ALL you have gone thru in your own past with people / women SERIOUSLY misunderstanding and hurting you so profoundly, turning you into such a Caliban for all to see, one would have thought that you would have learned this lesson by now.
      So much for that then…

      Only the tortured torture.

      You FAR from “G”know me Paul. That much is so.

      • Ross Jeffries says:

        @Liz

        Dance, monkey, dance.

          • Saber says:

            Two to tango (wink)? You want to dance with Ross? I thought you said below you defriended him? Why would you want to dance with Ross? Oh I get it, you’re so obsessed with the way Mystery laughed at you that you’re now attracted to any guy that makes fun of you. Mystery’s chick logic 101.

      • Ross Jeffries says:

        @Liz

        On a more serious note, anyone who relies on regular use of an hallucinogenic and illegal drug to gain her therapeutic insights, is, in my opinion,not fit to be working with anyone for any purpose.

        The last time I saw you, which was at lunch with Jon at my event, you appeared to be extremely agitated, spoke with pressured speech, bizarre affect, and appeared, to me, to perhaps be “tweaking” on something. And you displayed continual suspicion and hostility towards men in virtually all of our communication.

        In my opinion, based on what I observe, you are not qualified to be doing this work. Your grip on consensus reality is tenuous as far as I can see.

        Speculating about my past and name calling me doesn’t hide one fact: I’ve been doing this going on 23 years and have worked with thousands of people from every walk of life and every background. I’ve got lots and lots and lots of experience upon which to draw my evaluations.

        And you, girly, are a nutter.

        RJ

        • “Your grip on consensus reality is tenuous as far as I can see.”

          The day after I defriended you, it was brought to my attention from someone we both know that you wrote this on your wall:
          “You dare defy one you should be worshipping on your knees?”

          Wait. WHO’S the nutter again?
          O_o

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Elizabeth What I said, I said in obvious jest. But you let an hallucinogenic concoction be the voice of your intuition and the source of your vision.

            Here’s a challenge: could you utterly abandon Ayahuasca for good, forever, and still be effective in your work?

            RJ

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Liz What…no answer for me?

            RJ

  11. Publicly Exposing oneself as A FORM OF PICK UP ARTISTRY says:

    “PS True story. Liz once told me she saw Bigfoot, not more than 10 feet from her. She said he knelt down, looked right at her and growled. She said she could smell the creature”

    Maybe he wanted to give her oral

  12. Publicly Exposing oneself as A FORM OF PICK UP ARTISTRY says:

    hello, My name is Jack:pick up Artist

    My method is revolutionary and backed by david shade and Rick (Mr.Chubby) H.

    It involves wearing really tight shorts (the kind NBA players wore in the ’70′s) and not wearing any undies…. make sure part of your dick almost hanging out

  13. Hitesh says:

    Ross, Elizabeth has aided me TREMENDOUSLY by guiding me toward a path of loving myself and others more. She has helped me challenge my limiting beliefs and in the process, patiently addressed any doubts and questions I had. After all this, all she has asked from me in return is to use this knowledge to be a better, happier human being by showing compassion to myself and everything and everyone around me. You asked of her skills? One of her many skills is to change your perspective on EVERYTHING. A consummate inner game guru, she emphasizes not only theoretical knowledge, but an EXPERIENTIAL approach, where you intuitively/instinctively FEEL the correct responses to any stimulus your present moment throws at you. A priceless “skill” considering states/emotions/moods are incredible driving forces in human interactions. Elizabeth has much more valuable teachings to offer her students than I have stated in this short post, I sincerely hope she gets to help many more people. Ross, you come across as a bully, it’s not necessary for someone such as yourself who has accomplished so much to treat others as such. I hope you eventually end up on good terms with the people you come in conflict with.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Hitesh

      Did she have you take Ayahuasca? Was she “in ceremony” on Ayahuasca when she was helping you?

      These are simple questions, easy to answer. Please don’t evade, dodge, refuse to answer. It’s simple.

      And tell me honestly; did you really write these words youself?

      A consummate inner game guru, she emphasizes not only theoretical knowledge, but an EXPERIENTIAL approach, where you intuitively/instinctively FEEL the correct responses to any stimulus your present moment throws at you”

      It sounds like a phrase from a marketing piece. Nothing wrong with marketing, but don’t fake like it’s your own expression.

      I don’t think you’ve actually ever used the word “consummate” in your life, nor would you refer to anyone as “guru”.

      Son, if you are going to fake it past me, you are going to have to be less sloppy.

      Answer me.

      RJ

      RJ

      • Hitesh says:

        Not at all Ross, sober truth. I am flattered you asked me to verify my comment, it must seem to have a significant effect while reading. True Ross, I meant for my entire piece to give a positive impression to Elizabeth, if it sounds like marketing to you then so be it, they’re still all MY own words. So yeah, you basically called me a liar and labeled my post as less than authentic, I have no other idea of how to convey to you that they are MY words/thoughts/truths. You know what’s funny? I have criticized Elizabeth by telling her directly that I think SOME of her spiritual perspectives are too far fetched to believe, but as an exercise (in the spirit of don’t knock it until you’ve tried it) I decided to adopt some of her ‘frames’ (read ‘frames’ not ‘drugs or hallucinogens’). Joke was on me when these frames helped me filter reality more comfortably and happily (frames such as love, forgiveness, living in the moment etc).Ross, this is going to sound like a cliche, but I have said my piece/peace (embedded command! :)) and wish to not spend more energy on this, furthermore I believe you too have more constructive endeavors to pursue. I am simultaneously honored and disappointed in our conversation. I do not want to argue with THE Ross Jeffries (I LOVED “The Game”) as a member/follower/fan bystander of the community I would have much rather our talk been about the art/science of human interaction. There is much the community has to offer the outside world Ross, and bickering and infighting only takes energy away from showing the outside world the beauty/benefit/healing perspectives the seduction community contains. Also Ross, I am Indian, I have used the word ‘Guru’ plenty of damn times!

        • worovme says:

          DUDE, you still didn’t answer the ayahuasca question with a DIRECT answer. wtf!?

        • Vizzini says:

          I just dropped by since I saw this on facebook and was not going to comment at all until I saw this post.

          I see two things lacking in this.

          Not one real tangible result other than feeling understood.

          Two, the main question that was asked was never answered.

          As someone who is in the business of helping people this set off all kinds of red flags for me.

          When I help someone we do 2 things. the first is define a clear outcome so we can measure success. Then success becomes tangible. You either have it or you don’t.

          Feeling better about yourself is never a good goal because you can just feel better about being fucked up. It will feel like a change but the reality is that you life will still be a mess but you feel okay about it. Mane self help frauds use this con game. The want you measure of success to be vague.

          If drugs are involved in any way then this is a scam. It is easy to drug someone and make them believe they have been changed. The drug mentioned causes hallucinations. That can lead to delusions in 2 ways.

          If the person helping, is on any kind of drug at the time they have no way to do the work necessary to help someone. They are hallucinating. That can be damaging.

          Two, if they are giving the ‘patient’ drugs then the patient is hallucinating and can’t tell if anything is really helping.

          Frankly this post sounds like one written by someone whose mind is fried by drugs. There is no clear thought.

          I don’t know anything about Elizabeth but if this is the result of her help then she is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. She is really going to hurt someone.

        • Saber says:

          @Hitesh. Piece/peace is an ambiguity, not an embedded command, idiot!

          And, it’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about from all the drugs your delusional love goddess has given you.

          Embedded commands are commands to do something.

          Like “Your answer suggests you do not want to BUY A ROSS JEFFRIES PRODUCT (EMBEDDED COMMAND IN CAPITALS).”

          Negation is not processed by the subconscious mind, so you end up with the embedded command telling you to BUY A ROSS JEFFRIES PRODUCT.

          Not that I would want to suggest to anyone to BUY A ROSS JEFFRIES PRODUCT without Ross clearing up the air about what happens to the $1,499 a head that Vince collects from the Global Pickup Conference that Ross is presenting at alongside Elizabeth nutjob and claiming that Ross doesn’t collect a penny of that entrance fee or royalties from that videotaped event.

          If a hundred people show up, only a small percentage is going towards a seminar room, so where does the rest of the money go?? Ross, are you going to provide proof to your readers that you are sincerely a fraud fighter by choosing to go to this event or are you just going to let readers assume you’re a hypocrite?

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Saber

            I repeat: I do not and will not receive a PENNY. I get no money at all. I sell nothing, I appear only to get a chance to show everyone what a true teacher is. Believe what you want and there is no way for me to prove a negative. How do I PROVE that I get nothing?

            It’s impossible to prove so believe what you want.

            RJ

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Saber

            Here is a clue as to whether I am getting paid or not.

            Every other speaker is promoting the event to their lists, on their blogs, websites, etc.

            I am not promoting it anywhere. I challenge you to find any place on any of my social media: Facebook/Twitter//Youtube channel, any place on my commercial website/blog, any place on any of my email lists to any of my customers or subscribers where I so much as mention the event, much less my appearance.

            If I was doing it for money, I’d be promoting it like crazy to get my “cut”.

            Further, I sell NOTHING when I am there. I in fact, GIVE stuff away. I challenge you to produce ONE credible witness who will state that they have ever seen me so much as try to sell ANYTHING when I’ve appeared in the past.

            You have falsely accused me in a nasty way and you owe me an apology, or at least an acknowledgment that I’ve answered you as completely as humanly possible.

            RJ

          • Saber says:

            Ross, you still haven’t answered my question. Where does all the money go?

            If 100 people show up at $1,499 a head, that’s $150K plus video royalties for a conference that lasts only a couple of days. That’s a lot of money to be made in a couple of days. Divide that by 13 presenters and that’s $11K for an hour plus video royalties or $150K plus royalties all going to Vince, which I highly doubt presenters would think is fair and agree to. You’ve been tainted by throwing yourself into this same pool of people that you attack as scamming affiliate marketers who are cross promoting for a fast buck by going there. An explanation of where this money goes is in order.

            You chose to play this role so you have to put yourself to the same standard.

            Prove you’re a man of honour and integrity like Harry Houdini and not just another hypocrite. If you’re putting yourself on the Mr. Virtue pedestal and it’s all going to a registered charity, fine, tell me which charity and you’ll get your apology; otherwise, it’s quite clear that someone or a lot of people are working together to pocket a fast buck off this conference and you’re just covering it up instead of taking a stand and doing the right thing and saying it’s wrong. You know better than to ask me to provide proof. I have no right to subpeona financial documents as I am not a business partner of this conference like you.

            Are you going to fight the good fight or just cover it up?

            If you want to delete my post, fine I’ll post it on puahate where the crowd won’t be so welcoming to your answer.

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Saber,

            I assume the money goes to Vince and Speer who organize it. I receive NOTHING. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. I believe that those who promote the event via affiliate links get a commission but I have no idea how much. I never asked because I receive NOTHING.

            I’m covering up nothing. I’m answering you honestly and directly and will do so again:

            1. I receive NOTHING.
            2. I’ve asked for NOTHING.
            3. I don’t know how the money is divided. My guess is those who promote the event get an affiliate link and get commission. I don’t know, but that is often how these things work.
            4. Many people probably ARE working together to make a buck, but I make NOTHING.

            Now, if I am making money off this, why am I not promoting it anywhere?

            I’ve challenged you, but you have not answered, although I’ve answered you thoroughly.

            Where do you see ANY proof at all that I’ve promoted this event in any of my social media, mailing lists or commerical blog/website? If I were making a cut of it, why would I NOT promote it?

            I’m not covering up anything as I am not receiving ANYTHING.

            I’ve allowed you to continue to repeat lies and falsehoods but I’m not under any obligation to continue to allow you to repeat them.

            So answer MY questions.

            RJ

          • Saber says:

            Ross,

            What difference does it make if you’re promoting it on your main website? Are you saying it’s not possible that a speaker can participate at that event and get a cut of the admission and royalties? For all I know, you could be promoting it under an alias. I don’t know. And I don’t have the time and expertise to verify it from the outside.

            Obviously, they’re not going to disclose those financial records (which would be a lot simpler) to prove otherwise, but I’ll tell you what. I’ll give you an apology and be prepared to believe you’re not making a cent from this event IF you declare that if you make one dime from this event, you will donate every cent of it to a BBB accredited and registered charity like the American Cancer Society. You choose which one, but you state which one it is. It’s on your honor. And if that charity finds out you’ve made money from this event, they have the right to collect that money from you. Deal?

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Saber

            I don’t make one dime off it. If I do make one dime off it(which I won’t) I’ll donate ever cent of it to a charity YOU choose.

            I’ve answered you now multiple times.
            I am under no obligation to continue to allow you to make the same false accusations and ask the same questions after I have already answered.

            So ask again and I’ll simply ban you and delete your posts.

            Deal?

            RJ

          • Saber says:

            Ross,

            My choice is the American Cancer Society.

            While it still seems odd at a speaking event that charges $1,500 a head that speakers get paid nothing, I’ll take your word for it that you will not be paid anything and I sincerely apologize for making a guilt by association claim about you at that conference.

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Saber

            Thank you. I didn’t say that no speaker will be paid. I said that I get NOTHING. I don’t know the arrangements for the other people. I don’t get a penny.

        • Ross Jeffries says:

          @Hitesh

          So, answer me:

          1. Was she using Ayahuasca when she worked with you?
          2. Did she suggest you use it or have you use it in any way?

          Just answer. Simple questions.

          • Stephane Hemon but not actually Stephane Hemon says:

            I too, like saber, have been wondering how you’re not getting paid for a big conference like that. It’s one thing if you’re donating a fee to charity or some such, but… are you not taking any compensation just to make a point? Or, are all of the other speakers seriously not getting paid either and they feel that getting the chance to promote their products is good enough compensation? This seriously doesn’t make any sense to me, and I’m hoping that you can clarify, because right now it just seems so nonsensical.

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Stephane

            I don’t know what the other speakers are doing. I am guessing that:

            1. They get commission for posting an affiliate link on their sites.
            2. They for sure get to flack their seminars/products etc in exchange for paying a 25% commission to the organizers.

            I can’t be more clear. I’m not getting paid a penny. I am not promoting my appearance anywhere on any of my sites, media etc. I’m not pitching anything. I’m appearing to give the poor bastards who go SOME value and SOME real guidance and to be of service to men who need my help. The last time I even stayed a full 2 hours after my talked and helped anyone who asked, for free. Everyone got 15 minutes with me until I ran out of time; some even got more.

            Can I be more clear?

            RJ

          • Stephane Hemon but not actually Stephane Hemon says:

            Got it. I’m not saying that I don’t believe you. I just didn’t/don’t see how money is being shuffled around on a conference where tickets cost $1,500, since I couldn’t imagine that you’d outright tell them to keep their money (instead of, at the least, donating it). But I’ve never worked on an event or anything like that, so maybe it just works way different than I’d imagine and it still proves worthwhile for speakers who want to profit from it.

          • Ross Jeffries says:

            @Stephane

            Believe what you want. I receive nothing. I wouldn’t take a penny because in good conscience, I could not do so and would not want to.

            RJ

          • Clearmind says:

            @ Stephane

            Its called free promotion dummy. If Ross goes there for free, but meets a few people afterwords.. are you getting this? If just a few people like him and want to buy his product… so god damn simple.

  14. Oberon says:

    @Elizabeth

    just take a look please

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbW53BTtVes

    I might be old-fashioned and slow in the head, but how the fuck does this work as a legal activity?

    I don`t get it!

    giving hallucinogenic stuff to emotionally unstable, sexually unsatisfied people, who have no prior experience working with their own subconscious?

    people who don`t even possess enough self-control to sit still and contemplate on one thing for 10 minutes?

    all you need is one person who has a brain that`s naturally high in dopamine and you just unleashed the four riders of the apocalipse

    and excuse me, but what 20 years of experience are you exactly talking about???

    how old are you???

    how and when did you apply stuff like this for decades???

    because if you just hanged out with wackos for years, that means you can`t pick the right people, not an expert on healing mental illness

    you know, you can read self-help and psycho-blabla books for decades, but that doesn`t make you an expert in that domain

    on your website you say you are:
    “Attraction Specialist, Inner Game/ Red Queen Game / and High Game teacher, Secrets Signs and Wonders Dealer, Deprogrammer, Watcher on the Wall, Certified Master Hypnotherapist, Certified Master Neuro Linguistic Programmer Practitioner, Life/Relationship Counselor, Attraction/Pickup Coach, Occultist, Quickener, Tonic Herbalist, Wing Woman and Lecturer. And oh yes, a singer”

    yes, you do sing, there`s proof of that:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZw2oh4gB2Y

    but isn`t that long list a little bit too much to be plausible?

    you know, this pickup stuff started out as some childish backlash on feminism, immature men hallucinating that independent women are the enemy, not their own emotional issues

    this shit is getting way out of control

    all that you need is that one of those self-proclaimed pua`s to fuck up some rich dude`s kid and the party is over

    @ Ross

    yes I know, I wrote that mentioning her in your blog is like free advertisement; so to be fair, you can edit out the links to her stuff

  15. Mr. T says:

    Ross,

    Is EEE into the occult? Could she be using the PUA stage to recruit warlocks?

    Mr. T

  16. Goodness gracious!
    Ross you are on a witch hunt – Now besides defamation of character, you are accusing me of giving an illegal substance to my clients. This is how so many INNOCENTS have been hurt by people making assumptions and again speaking from ignorance.

    Let’s clean a couple things up.

    I do not nor have I EVER given a client Ayahuasca or any drug for that matter. You are in a fantasy land Sweet Pea. Sacrament is VERY SERIOUS business and is not entered into working with easily for anyone. I am allowed to speak about it but to invite anyone into my line, is karmically INCORRECT. It is a calling to VERY FEW, and those few have to be mentally stable, off anti-depressants, specific pharmaceuticals etc.

    (more info here: http://www.ayahuasca.com/science/what-foods-and-drugs-need-to-be-avoided/)

    It is NEVER to be entered into lightly.

    Any client, if drawn to working with it, I have directed to a non profit place in Peru (That I actually have no affiliations with but have seen stunning results) that is run by Shibipo shamanic women elders. This is a profoundly safe place to do the work and visitors are screened carefully. Would I like to lead a small group of friends there one day? Absolutely, looking forward to it! I KNOW (unlike you) what sacrament is and how it “looks” and would NEVER be so foolish or egotistic to facilitate something so powerful on my own. I have seen and had to help handle those mistakes from other shamans. Humility is key to working with “The Mother”.

    and in all fairness now, you told me you were too afraid to work with it, remember? Let’s keep it real Ross. Come on now.
    and yes, YOU SHOULD BE. It is not a walk in the park – That is why in some traditions it is called “A Work”.
    ;)

    Yes, I work with sacrament. I also work with it legally within the frames of a specific lineage that quietly, humbly deeply heals and transmutes the ones it has carefully called across the planet. It is NOT a hallucinogen, it is an entheogen. BIG DIFFERENCE. (There is a deliberate reason why so many substances that are SO very different from each other have been thrown into one basket of descriptions. Some of these substances kill you and own your ass, and others are medicines, sacraments that heal on levels that nothing else can.)

    I take what I am taught and have been taught from other places in the past and I teach it to others, yes – Usually in a reframe session, perhaps even over lunch or infield coaching depending. I charge $100 an hour. That’s it.
    My clients have wives, long term girlfriends / boyfriends, success/ abundance/ health / happiness and inner peace because of it. This is a good thing.

    “Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”

    Put the toy down Ross.
    You are now making a bigger fool of yourself with your assumptions.
    Who is the one again with the “mistrust, suspicion, and even hate.” ????
    It’s really clear for all of us to see Sweet Heart.
    Come away from the noise.
    There are so many amazing teachers that are starting to show now – out in the evolving, becoming healthier for both sexes, world of attraction – Wouldn’t you like to be counted among them rather than being left behind in the dust of it’s past because of your tantrums? There is already so much astonishing unconsciousness out there on the planet and you have done your karmic share now.
    For your own benefit, enough of the mare’s nest.
    Your life is waiting. I mean your REAL life Lamb.

    “Reality is perception. If you don’t believe me, you’re right.”
    ;)

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Liz

      Yes, I work with sacrament. I also work with it legally within the frames of a specific lineage that quietly, humbly deeply heals and transmutes the ones it has carefully called across the planet. It is NOT a hallucinogen, it is an entheogen. BIG DIFFERENCE. (

      YOU may call it an entheogen. But people do hallucinate on it. It’s a powerful and dangerous drug. And there is NO “legal” lineage, although as a libertarian I support the legalization of all drugs. Consider the possibility that it’s warped your ability to deal with consensus reality. And “Red Queen Game”? C’mon now. You are an expert on pick up now? Based on…what?

      How many men have you even been with, Liz? How many relationships? Tell the truth about your utter lack of experience and quit hiding.

      My clients have wives, long term girlfriends / boyfriends, success/ abundance/ health / happiness and inner peace because of it. This is a good thing.

      Prove it. Video testimonials. I’ve got ‘em. Where are yours?

      There are so many amazing teachers that are starting to show now – out in the evolving, becoming healthier for both sexes, world of attraction – Wouldn’t you like to be counted among them rather than being left behind in the dust of it’s past because of your tantrums?

      Ha ha ha. Hilarious. Darling, 20 years from now, no one will even remember any of these “amazing teachers”. But long after I am dust, people will STILL be studying my work and benefiting from it. I am light years beyond all of you and have more talent in my little finger than all of you pretenders put together. You don’t even deserve to be in the same room with me.

      Amateurs….

      RJ

    • Oleg Cherkasky says:

      @Elizabeth

      I recall seeing you on facebook, pretty faces tend to get my attention so I took a look at what you do.

      RJ’s post raises lots of good points and I agree that you shouldn’t teach pickup.
      I read this blog mainly for entertainment reasons, sometimes I learn something here.

      The points you’re trying to raise to argue with RJ don’t hold any merit, telling him that he’s making a fool out of himself is irrelevant, when I first came across his criticisms of people I didn’t like it but now that I understand where he’s coming from I fully support him.

      Ross isn’t in fantasy land if you’re suggesting that people use sacrament, there may be a difference between giving people the drug and suggesting they take it but the result is the same, they take it and it ain’t legal. I disagree with Ross’ libertarian view of drugs.

      Your talk of shamans and ESPECIALLY the strange writing style with which you are answering him proves that you’re under the influence of drugs, even if RJ said that you are loopy (which I don’t think he did) in his post it still would’ve been just an empty accusation until you came along and proved it right with your comments.

      I like Ross’ sober point of view, putting the accusations aside he’s mainly talking about your qualifications, are people getting any real results with what you teach.).
      This is what it all comes down to.

      When I first started researching what RJ is doing I cared about one thing and one thing alone, WILL IT WORK FOR ME?

      When I googled his name I found lots of people talking about RJ, he was called lots of things and Speed Seduction was called “creepy” (I don’t even know what that means), no one addressed whether it works or not, I haven’t seen any believable testimonials in any places that teach pickup other than RJ’s site.

      Ross does a good job at cutting through the bullshit, he doesn’t talk about how nice to people he is or how many women he slept with,he answers that question that I asked and it got me to invest in his stuff.

      Liz, you can talk about how great you are as much as you like and you can talk in as many riddles and metaphors as you can come up with but the questions still stand:

      what are your qualifications?

      and do you have any BELIEVABLE testimonials to prove that what you teach works?

      Keep up the good work Ross :)

  17. Moveoverrover says:

    EEE: You seem like such a sensitive and sweet individual, perhaps misunderstood, or even misunderstanding… I know that whatever I think, I will not find the answer. I can just send my human empathy into the web to you and hope it recieves a generous place. Be careful with those otherworldly forces dear, even the soundest can fall prey inspite of good intentions.

    Ross:

    I would question whether you think the “pointing out” of scam on this webpage reaches “home base” so to speak? Does it actually work?

    It has become clear for me how relative and imprecise the meaning of language is. All the psychological subtleties attatched to it, the memories and emotions…all giving the end result of subjective meaning given to a work, or sentence. the endless misunderstandings are an inevitable consequence of the fact that poeples experiences are different. Therefore, their mental associations connected with all words and expressions are different. Therefore, they understand them differently. Therefore, they misunderstand each other in attempts at communication.

    With this in mind, and with the main goal of “exposing the scammers” or “protecting justice” , do you think Ross, that your approach is optimal? Does the communication strategy actually lead to the intended consequences? Are there some unforeseem effects of the communication, giving birth to unwanted scenarios?

    In view of the interests at stake, readers estimated psychological reactions, the fundamental relativity of language in various contexts, and in view of the immense number of alternative ways these and other issues concerning possible fraud in the self help industry could be raised…

    Is there some room for improvement here?

    Best wishes and a peaceful christmas to all of you cybercharmers!

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Moreoverover

      See for yourself. Search any of the threads on VinDiCarlo This blog has forced him to change his crooked forced and hidden continuity and bogus billing practices. A scammer withdrew his bogus “coaching training program” from the state of California after I pointed out it was violating SAMP laws. Another company fixed its ridiculous 14 day money back guarantee policy to 30 days. Companies that were failing to disclose their affiliate relationships in their emails are now doing so.

      I’m having an impact. A damn good one.

      Answer you?

      RJ

  18. Moveoverrover says:

    Sure…well you are a Big name in this community, in many ways the founding father. Perhaps there is a feeling of responsability with this position. No doubt, this community is full of crap (as is the case on a much broader scope), and most of them are easy targets for critizism. But I Wonder, how much of the critizism refers to the marketing and how much to the product? One could critizise the qualification of the person, but isnt any qualification a shady area to base a product on? Surely what matters Are the direct effects of the product? It seems like a grey area, not easy to find the right testable defining factor. Sure, there can be use in asking critical questions, and many of them are spot on. But…the problem is the character assasination. Going for the person and not the deeds. I can see the reason in attacking the scam, but when doing it in such a way as to make the person look like a total liar, scumbag or fool…the reactions are bound to be most hostile. You will lose trust and sympathy. They will not want to listen. It will therefore not help the cause. You could be more friendly to the person in the other end, a human being, someone who is not perfect and has various sides to their character and abilities, most of which you have no idea about. You could consider that a human being is on the other end, that you actually know little about. And you could ask critical questions about their product, without the personal attacks or insinuations. You could achieve all the benefits with much less crap coming back at your person, thus ruining the focus on the important issues. Im 100% certain a more diplomatic and less character assasination-oriented approach would better serve the your cause.

  19. Oberon says:

    @Elizabeth

    Ayahuasca is an “ambiguous” thing by legal standards in most countries, so hurray for you

    although the shit can occasionally hit the fan

    http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/ayahuasca_canada.html

    but there`s one thing I wonder about, since you are “spiritualist” officially trained in trance inducing things like hypnosis and NLP

    how is it that you don`t apply or mention meditation?

    or my eyes were tired and I missed those lines?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nwwKbM_vJc

    meditation is safe, effective, proven

    by the way on “Red Queen Game”

    I presuppose it`s all about this:
    human nature is like X, society is like Y, everybody is evil and devious, so we must trick each other into sex, fuck society, here`s the magic machiavellian formula for getting twat

    where`s the problem with it?

    since monkeys can`t talk and we can`t go back in time, we have to pick the next best thing, when it comes to studying sexual impulses

    so what`s the most antisocial creature on the planet called Earth?

    it`s a 15 year old horny teenager flipping the finger on anyone and anything, we`ve all been there and done that in one way or another

    now based on research 80% of people loose their virginities in high school in a relationship that last at least 6 months, which is a really long time spending together with someone, whom you were theoretically just using up for sex, consciously or driven by your “selfish DNA”

    so this means three things:

    1. humans who fuck each other, tend to love each other at least a little bit in the beginning, it just gets messed up later on
    2. since most people are average in most things, this means that even boring people can get laid in the right circumstances at least once, without any special intervention from a PUA-demigod
    3. teenagers fuck teenagers

    #3 has been such a common and predictable phenomena in the last couple of decades, that the wise guys who make the laws in most modern countries, had to lower the age of consent to high school years

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

    which leaves us to conclude the following:

    your clients are probably adult virgins and emotionally damaged people, who need special help and they will be better of with a sex therapist

    so are you a sex therapist?

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Oberon,

      Let’s step beyond the bounds of being charitable and grant she can heal people, just for the sake of discussion. What are her tools/skills to teach pick up?

      Answer: she sees money in coaching guys to pull. So that’s what she’s added to her menu of “services”.

      RJ

      • Oberon says:

        @RJ

        sir yes sir

        I can haz some street smartz

        by the way, you said:
        “PS True story. Liz once told me she saw Bigfoot, not more than 10 feet from her. She said he knelt down, looked right at her and growled. She said she could smell the creature.”

        and I was just wondering

        is it possible that Mr.Markovik is into dressing up in furry costumes?

  20. Hello Oberon,

    Yes, that one death is very well known in the circles I frequent in and there is much on the internet about the dangers of being foolish enough to use Nicotine in admixtures – Here is what is important to understood about it, and from the link you provided:
    “An autopsy concluded she died of acute nicotine poisoning.”
    This distinction is important.

    It would be like saying that ALL sweat lodges are bad because of that irresponsible and thoughtless James Ray incident that was so touted in the news a few years ago. We all know better than this.
    (This is where “Chunking down” is helpful and important…)

    and yes, the legalities do exist if you know where to look – e.g. research the Native American Church with it’s use of Peyote etc.

    I DO meditate. I have every day since I was 13 years old. I lived in a Theravadan Buddhist monastery where I took care of monks and then nuns for months when I lived in Devon. I had profound kundalini experiences from the intensive Vipassana meditation there that would go on for days. Those years were amazing and profound truly! I had a very sweet and powerful tantric relationship with the Ajhan of that monastery and I was taught much from within that experience. I still go on retreats etc.
    :)

    I am very selective about who I choose for reasons most may not understand.

    Oberon, I have all sorts of clients. They need different things. Some need only one session, while others need more. It is often about finding the right domino persay to click over and then everything else falls into flow for them in their lives. It can be a wonderful thing. I have already had people “borrowing” my work and making products and money from them, so I guess to some my information is of value, eh?

    I’m not for everyone. If you want the same old boring stuff that EVERYONE knows by now (including that girl who it just isn’t working on) please DON’T come to me. I am for a niche of people who are interested in the secrets and the subtleties.

    Assumptions are a dangerous thing especially for the one doing the assuming.
    I have always spoken / written this way – It’s the very thing that brought so much success for the companies I have worked for. Sorry about that.
    “Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music.”
    ;)

    Why can I help with Game?
    (and please, there are others where it IS obvious that they are all about the money, but is charging $100 an hour a ridiculous request? I love doing what I do – It’s really very simple!)
    Here’s why:
    I pull from the unique places of my past and my passionate research / real world experience from the world of esoteric information / mentalism, psyops etc. – I also have YEARS of experience with many of THE BEST of the gamers in THIS industry – I have been a part of working with approx. NINE other companies (At their bootcamps, infield trainings etc.) as a trainer / teacher / lecturer / wing woman – These are with people that are ACTUALLY EXCELLENT INFIELD (unlike some we all know, eh?) with Game. I see, in truth, what REALLY works and what doesn’t, FAR beyond the illusions (which are so many in this industry) and I have the added gift of being a particular kind of woman who has woken up past her biological programming to able to see what many of the men cannot. It’s for you or it isn’t. No biggie.

    “Is it possible that Mr.Markovik is into dressing up in furry costumes?”
    HA!
    Just a fuzzy hat…
    :D

    Best wishes Oberon,
    Be well,
    Titania~

    • Saber says:

      Wow, that’s fu-cked. So you spent a month with some tantric sex shaman in Thailand and now you’re the Steve Piccus of lovemaking. Watch out Johnny Soporno, your girlfriend is about to be bested by the best damn hooker on this side of the Mississippi.

      You’re still not worth $100/hr IMO.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Liz Very eloquent, but evasive. Where are your testimonials from students who have actually gotten laid using what you teach?

      Where is the free stuff they can try BEFORE they pay a penny?

      Nowhere…..

      RJ

      P.S. If you were having kundalini experiences while doing Vipassana and it wasn’t addressed then you were not well guided. Those experiences are to be treated like a pain in your foot-you watch them, bring sensory clarity, focus and equanimity to them, but you do NOT latch on to them or treat them as being significant.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Liz

      WTF? You wrote:

      I I DO meditate. I have every day since I was 13 years old. I lived in a Theravadan Buddhist monastery where I took care of monks and then nuns for months when I lived in Devon. I had profound kundalini experiences from the intensive Vipassana meditation there that would go on for days. Those years were amazing and profound truly! I had a very sweet and powerful tantric relationship with the Ajhan of that monastery and I was taught much from within that experience. I still go on retreats etc.

      You are claiming that you were FUCKING the head monk of a monastery? You are aware they take vows of celibacy? And for a monk to fuck a student is nuts; an utter violation of his precepts and his oaths.

      This is either a fantasy/delusion, ala “Bigfoot” or you were engaged in some seriously sick shit that you should NOT have been doing.

      Along with your talking about your kundalini experiences, which any legit vipassana techer would have made sure you de-emphasized and did NOT get sucked into, I am having the strong notion that you were involved in something completely screwy and not at all legit.

      RJ

  21. Clarity says:

    Great… another white woman culturally appropriating methods and practices from indigenous culture for profit. These type of pocahontas wanna be’s need to burn by the stake.

  22. Well gosh. I’m just so surprised – What? Your assumptive ignorance rears it’s head YET again?
    For your education:
    http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10503start=0

    and sigh, yes,YES Ross – Some of these people were stunning in their assistance /wisdom and OF COURSE helped me with my meditation experiences (not only in my time there but for years after) pressing the importance of non attachment to these experiences that come. Understandably I still devoured every book on the subject to learn more, Gopi Krishna being one of my favorites.
    YOU are the one sullying what I say Ross with taking my commentary to an extreme XXX version of Thorn Birds in your mind. You might want to get that little issue checked out.
    Please. You’re tweaking. I am amazed at the fantasy running amok in there!

    As for the free stuff – I agree, and several people have been kicking my butt to get on it. Creating products, marketing my business etc. is a bit, TBH like chewing on cardboard – I would rather just be teaching, researching or out adventuring! Right now, it’s the lectures I do and I get clients from that or meeting them in other odd ways, thru conversation, or even when they try to pick me up not realizing that I’m a coach and then I tell them how they can improve and hand them my card – Their expressions are priceless! ;)

    However, I am working on a little something in the oven…

    I didn’t DECIDE I could make more money doing this and thus added it like a little Girl Scout badge to my credits, I just fell into it and it naturally progressed. I was assisting with boot camps and was actually good at it and so I was invited to others and everything escalated. There is a unique niche for me absolutely. Not your niche Ross, but mine.

    and finally here’s a testimonial:
    “Put simply, meeting with Elizabeth changed my life forever. Her knowledge of herbalism, NLP, and general human psychology allowed her to provide me with the tools to work through some of my most difficult personal issues. I am now in a loving relationship after many years of being alone, and my career and health have never been on a faster upward trajectory! Beyond her wealth of experience and knowledge, her demeanor is caring, nurturing, and sagely. I cannot recommend her highly enough to anyone who is looking to explore the many facets of personal life development and plant lore.”
    Ryan K. (Music Producer, Los Angeles)

    Meh.
    Enough of this sillyness, I’m off to bed.

    • Oberon says:

      let`s do a reality check

      my theory is this:
      you moved to LA to become a famous in showbiz, it didn`t really worked out, than you met these guys from the PUA scene, found out you can get a descent income on selling woo-woo, there`s no product, there`s no risk, there`s no proof of you delivering or not, it`s all the customers problem

      “I also have YEARS of experience with many of THE BEST of the gamers in THIS industry – I have been a part of working with approx. NINE other companies ”

      well you have to cross promote each other, otherwise people don`t buy your stuff, the internet is a large place

      I remember that Mystery`s been in drug rehab and a mental asylum, he got a nervous breakdown, because one of his girlfriends was really manipulative and destructive with him; I wonder who that might be??? :P

      and as I told before, the only people who don`t go out and don`t know “dating stuff” and on top of that, pay the 1,000 bucks on seminars, are the adult virgins and most of them have serious intimacy issues, like being seen half-naked at a spa or beach, being touched by anyone, I repeat anyone, they constantly feel rejected and/or dying on the inside because of the “stigma”, so I doubt you can fix that without some sex, so there you go catch 22

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86RAe7rOiVg

      “I get clients from that or meeting them in other odd ways, thru conversation, or even when they try to pick me up not realizing that I’m a coach and then I tell them how they can improve and hand them my card – Their expressions are priceless!”

      I knew that you were a cougar ROOAAAAR :D

      but you still haven`t answered that you are a sex therapist or not?

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Liz The Wanna-be Witch wrote:

      Well gosh. I’m just so surprised – What? Your assumptive ignorance rears it’s head YET again?
      For your education:
      http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10503start=0

      and sigh, yes,YES Ross – Some of these people were stunning in their assistance /wisdom and OF COURSE helped me with my meditation experiences (not only in my time there but for years after) pressing the importance of non attachment to these experiences that come. Understandably I still devoured every book on the subject to learn more, Gopi Krishna being one of my favorites.
      YOU are the one sullying what I say Ross with taking my commentary to an extreme XXX version of Thorn Birds in your mind. You might want to get that little issue checked out.
      Please. You’re tweaking. I am amazed at the fantasy running amok in there!

      Why, Liz. You do have a saving grace. You’re ill-mannered.

      I checked out your link. I confess it was a perfunctory examination but it appears to me that what you were doing was NOT vipassana but rather mantra-japa(the repeating of a sacred sound or sounds, over and over to achieve altered states of consciousness).

      And I ask again: did you or did you not FUCK anyone in the monastery? It’s a yes/no answer .I’m well aware of the various definitions of tantra; classically it has nothing to do with sex. It has a similar meaning to “sutra”.

      But since you seem to be posing yourself as a tantrika/goddess/eros expert, you might forgive a person from giving things that sexual interpretation.

      The much larger question that anyone ought to ask is this:

      If you are so developed spiritually, have such amazing insight and wisdom, how the hell did you let yourself get involved with a twisted, fucked-up, narcissistic a-hole like Erik Von Markovick? You don’t deny that you whined endlessly to me about it, do you?

      Sorry if I am asking the tough questions(actually, I’m NOT sorry at all. I enjoy it) but you really can’t blame anyone for noticing these things and pointing them out.

      RJ

      P.S. Congrats on the ONE testimonial you have. (No last name, I note). ONE testimonial points to a fluke not a skill. You’ve gotta do better than that.

      • YoungPUA says:

        @Ross and @Elizabeth,

        If Liz was really in a relationship with Mystery, wouldn’t Mystery have written about it in his 2010 book?

        Did he do that? I’m curious.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Liz

      Look what I found what I clicked on your link:

      Re: Tantric Theravada?
      by retrofuturist » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:21 pm

      Greetings,

      daverupa wrote:
      But I find little difficulty in criticizing the practices themselves.

      Rightly so… it’s not vipassana, and at best it could lead only to the first jhana (since there’s clearly vitakka and vipaka at play). So it’s limited in that regard and represents a significant risk of people actually believing, or placing undue significance, on the fabrications of the mind.

      There’s better and far more established methods available…

      Metta,
      Retro.

      Wow. He’s saying these practices easily lead to delusion.

      But being a “Watcher on the Wall” I’m sure that doesn’t apply to you. Or Bigfoot.

      RJ

    • Saber says:

      She’s definitely talking about having sex with the head monk, not some classical non-sexual definition.

      Let’s analyze what she said for a sec. If you type “tantric relationship” into Google, you’ll get a whole bunch of links talking about the art of lovemaking, optimizing lovemaking and even Steve P’s squirting 101 course will show it’s ugly head. That’s the common parlance definition and what you have to go by. It’s just like the word “gay”. 70 years ago, “gay” meant “happy” (not what it means today) and it was quite common for two straight guys to say, “How’s it going today, Roger?”

      “I’m feeling merry and gay, Jim. How about you?”

      You say “gay” today to another straight person and people will think you’ve switched teams. The word “gay” means something totally different today and you have to go with the modern definition of the word.

      And she’s definitely a sex worker, folks. Look at the obvious clues: “I am very selective about who I choose for reasons most may not understand.”

      Think about it.

      That’s the typical answer a professional escort gives. I’m not a street hooker because street hookers sleep with anybody for money, but I get to “choose” which clients I sleep with. That’s a sex worker answer.

      And, the second and most obvious clue is this one: “YOU are the one sullying what I say Ross with taking my commentary to an extreme XXX version of Thorn Birds in your mind.”

      She’s referring to XXX in the comparative instead of denying it completely. Instead of saying, you’re “taking my commentary to an XXX version of Thorn Birds…”, she added the comparative word “extreme”. In other words, she’s not denying her version is an XXX version of the Thorn Birds.

      It’s just like if a pornstar said she’s not a “hardcore” pornstar because she doesn’t do anal. She’s still a pornstar: she’s just not that group of pornstars within the overall category of pornstars.

      Everett is just a prostitute redefining her trade by adding fluff about energy and spirituality and calling it an art. But, she’s still a prostitute in the everyday sense.

      BJs anyone? No sorry, Everett’s not a prostitute: she can choose which clients she has sex with. Hahaha.

  23. Oberon,
    Easy answer to your question. NO, I’m not a sex therapist (is there somewhere in my marketing that purports that?), just a healthy passionate curiosity for understanding the subject especially from it’s recondite levels.

    As far as I know (and I could be mistaken for this?) but I don’t think Mystery ever had to go to drug rehab and there have been many women that have been and are “manipulative and destructive” around him, but I would like to hope that I have never been one.

    Yes, you’re right I should be doing MANY things with my business that others are so obsessed with doing to appease their wallets and their egos. It’s all about the money, money, money eh? I’ll get to all that when I get to it. I didn’t make this horrific page, someone else did. Who care’s who it hurts and the long term effects as long as it get ATTENTION right?
    Sigh.

    I woke up with this scene in my head and I thought I would share it. I think it sums this whole thing up quite perfectly!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

    The nooshpere can be very helpful when your subconscious is clean…
    ;)

    • Oberon says:

      “Easy answer to your question. NO, I’m not a sex therapist (is there somewhere in my marketing that purports that?), just a healthy passionate curiosity for understanding the subject especially from it’s recondite levels.”

      well, giving counseling on intimacy, or giving tips to achieving it, to emotionally challenged people can be considered as a form of sex theraphy, which is regulated by law

      and I don`t see you on the top list

      http://sexsurrogateofla.com/sex-surrogate-center/sex-therapists-licensed-certified/

      or other examples
      http://www.marybuxton.com/
      http://www.drloribuckley.com/
      http://www.drkarenstewart.com/

      or another list
      http://www.therapytribe.com/Therapists/California-CA/Sex-Therapy

      most of these people got a psychology degree at least, while you are a “dancing queen in the night” and a “Bigfoot whisperer”

      you might say “So what? The other pua`s been doing this for very long”

      exactly, there`s the problem :D

      “As far as I know (and I could be mistaken for this?) but I don’t think Mystery ever had to go to drug rehab and there have been many women that have been and are “manipulative and destructive” around him, but I would like to hope that I have never been one.”

      maybe I was wrong, you are right, it`s hard to prove, can be considered hearsay

      than I checked your music too, thanks to google

      http://soundcloud.com/elizabethegan/

      you uploaded some songs 6 months ago, I`m puzzled

      because at that time you probably knew that you will be spending the new years eve entertaining adult virgins with mental masturbation

      are you spread betting cutie pie? :D

      good girl :D

      you can haz some street smartz

      but this all lands you in very special category, called “the latecomers”

      there`s a saying on the street for it:
      “When the taxi driver gives you investment advice, it`s time to sell your stocks and options”

      so basically pickup is dead, in any form and some say it never was alive at all :D

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4kMyuUkABs

      “The nooshpere can be very helpful when your subconscious is clean”

      check out what other people are thinking?

      no thank you, I`ve been doing that excessively in the last decade and it made me dry and paranoid

      I was thinking on a 1 year no internet type of new years resolution, it doesn`t bring out the best in me

      I still got life, but it seems it`s the online stuff is the only thing fucking up my brains

      anyways nice to meet you, new years coming, got to focus on my goals (yes I know it makes me sound more important)

    • Saber says:

      “I woke up with this scene in my head and I thought I would share it. I think it sums this whole thing up quite perfectly!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

      Hey Ross, can I be Sir Lancelot??

  24. It has been brought to my attention that you have been deleting and editing comments.

    Oh Paul.

    You walk this road but have gotten stuck / gone shadow somewhere along it’s path:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orxEawi9qro&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    Clean it up Paul. For your own sake clean it up.
    Sigh.
    Game over.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Liz

      I have not edited ANY of your comments in any way, shape or form. Period.

      You are being very judgmental in an inaccurate way.

      RJ

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Liz

      How ironic that you are now setting yourself up as the judge of who is “clean” and who “isn’t”. Wow..there’s hope for you yet; you can be judgmental.

      And..I think it’s funny that a person who pollutes herself with a powerful hallucinogenic drug on a regular basis has the gall to say that someone else needs to get “clean”.

      RJ

      P.S. Hey, Johnny Soporno is the one promoting a lifestyle that supports prostitution and the porn industry. Why are you speaking at HIS event if you are so concerned with being “clean”? Could it be that you don’t really give a fuck WHOM you endorse or support so long as it supports YOUR career ambitions? Who is the one who has to get “clean” now, Lizzy?

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      Lizzy,

      Yawn. How boring. I like this better:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUJsXMOLbP8&feature=related

  25. This blog post and comments are comedy GOLD, Ross!

    For the records, I don’t know much about this Triple E broad, but she sounds pretty loopy from what I’m reading. Not quite Erika Awakening crazy, but close.

    Let’s keep it going!

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Blumpkin Glad you see the humor. EEE is certainly giving Erika a wacky run for her nutjob money in the biggest fruitcake contest.

  26. I’m not particularly interested in these credentials as a whole from her site:

    Attraction Specialist, Inner Game/ Red Queen Game / and High Game teacher, Secrets Signs and Wonders Dealer, Deprogrammer, Watcher on the Wall, Certified Master Hypnotherapist, Certified Master Neuro Linguistic Programmer Practitioner, Life/Relationship Counselor, Attraction/Pickup Coach, Occultist, Quickener, Tonic Herbalist, Wing Woman and Lecturer. And oh yes, a singer

    Which incedently could only be found on PAGE 5 of google after wading through too many pua fraud.com rankings found on the first page. What I am interested in though is who Liz trained with regards becoming master hypnotherapist and certified master NLP practitioner. Does anyone know? Liz?

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Alistair

      I’m wondering about all of her “titles. What the fuck is “Red Queen Game” anyway?

      And she never answered my simple question, which I repeat here:

      Liz, if you gave up Ayahuasca, could you continue to do your “work”?

      RJ

      • Sorry Ross – I haven’t been here in a while, you brought me a lot of new clients and a couple of fascinating new opportunities, thank you!
        Isn’t the world of Enantiodromia fantastic?
        Yes, if “La Medicina” was no longer in my life I would continue to do my work – Why would that change? It’s not like I would become a different person without it – I genuinely get a kick out of assisting people with all the things I have received / learned on my road. Aren’t you the same?

        • Antonio says:

          O wow, that was an insane amount of response.

          Lets remember what Ghandi said, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win.

          Its funny that Elizabeth says she teaches love, and yet felt the need to come and attack Ross because of a statement he made on his own blog!

          Ross doesn’t believe that elizabeth is a qualified teacher, does that really prompt such a hateful response?

  27. Truly says:

    Good to see you selectively posting only those comments that are favourable to you, and not the ones that aren’t. How very fair Ross.

    • Ross Jeffries says:

      @Truly I see no obligation to post lies that have already been given an airing here. Or post personal insults against me.

      Now eat shit, die, and eat shit after you die.

      RJ

  28. too_close_for_comfort says:

    Hello Ross,

    Can’t believe I never searched out your site before now. I have witnessed far too much of the PUA fraud you talk about. You see, I have very close friends who work for StyleLife and a very dear friend that worked for Venusian Arts and Mehow. I can’t seem to escape this world. We’ve actually met a few times, though it was at Neil’s a few years back. I’ve got horror stories that I don’t think anyone but you will understand.

    I just wanted to send a note to all of RJ’s readers and followers – that everything you’ve read here is TRUE and it’s only the tip of the iceberg. I could tell you things that would make you want to contact the local authorities (IRS fraud, anyone?). If you ever think about giving money to VA, Mehow, Elizabeth or Erika, slap yourself across the face.

    Ross, would love to talk more (via email) and am hoping I could get your help regarding a friend who is currently being scammed by Elizabeth. Thank you so much for this website.

  29. Taliesin says:

    Wow. You guys are horrible. I’ve known Liz on and off for a very, very long time and the person you describe couldn’t be more different. I’m sorry Ross, but I’d never heard of you or your book until I read this page. You sound like an arsehole. Maybe if guys started treating women with respect and love, instead of reading a book to get ‘pussy’, we’d all be happier. I realise that’s probably a gross misrepresentation of your book, but hey, I just thought I’d join in along with the general level of critique here.
    Liz is more than capable of fighting her own battles (and btw it is your use of language and intellect I find clumsily revealing, rather than hers) , but it upsets me to see this page still remains when so much of what you have written within is, frankly, bollocks.

    • Paul Ross (aka Ross Jeffries) says:

      @Teliesin All I know is that I am cautious about anyone who acknowledges frequent use of power psychedelics like Ayahuasca. If she in any way is recommending this to clients(and I don’t know if she is-to me it doesn’t seem out of the realm of the possible) then she’s treading in dangerous waters.

      RJ

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